Dervish or Paragon? - Guild Wars Forums

Vaxin · Jul 18, 2007, 04:49 PM // 16:49

Hi.

I am not new to this game, but I got bored with my Characters and deleted them (I was tired and didnt pay full attention at the time), I am now going to start playing again and I'm wondering what would be better for PVE or PVP (I mainly play PVE though).

Paragon seem quite appealing, but is it a support class? If so, I wont make one.

Please help.

Iuris · Jul 18, 2007, 06:30 PM // 18:30

Well, any class can do well on its own. But a paragon does so well as party multiplier that it's a waste not to do so...

HawkofStorms · Jul 18, 2007, 07:03 PM // 19:03

Paragon really is a support class, and according to the a reccent poll in riverside, is the most unpopular class to play in all of GW.

Vaxin · Jul 18, 2007, 09:18 PM // 21:18

do you mean Unpopular because they are useless or just theres not enough people playing as one?

what class would have an Easier time finding a party, i mean, would People acutally need me in the party if I was a Paragon?

jhu · Jul 18, 2007, 10:05 PM // 22:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Paragon really is a support class, and according to the a reccent poll in riverside, is the most unpopular class to play in all of GW.

Which doesn't make much sense to me. Paragons have so many team buffs it's amazing. I was initially skeptical of paragons until I decided to make one and try to get legendary survivor. Couldn't believe how well they survive, and how well they help the team survive too. Now that there are Sunspear and Kurzick/Luxon skills, paragons are even better in pve. Of course, they were always good in pvp...

wetsparks · Jul 18, 2007, 10:29 PM // 22:29

There are three mele classes (warrior, assasin, dervish) and probably 90% of people who start this game made one of them, myself included. Since you really don't want more than two mele in your group I think it would be easier to find groups as a paragon. But then again they are more of a support class than direct range damage like rangers are, and you implied you didn't want to play a support class.

nunix · Jul 19, 2007, 01:10 AM // 01:10

Dervish is a weird melee hybrid class that, for general PVE, doesn't -really- synergise that well with anything else; especially when you're just starting a new one and aren't familiar with how it all works out. It's an interesting class, and it's very effective in PVE (where area attacks are king; scythe area + burst auras are great) but mine's collecting dust at the moment. Arguably some of the most-boring armor. Get pretty badass avatar transformations that let them change appearance to and take on certain aspects of each of the five gods.

Paragon is a support class, no doubt of that, but they're also very strong, with the equivalent of warrior armor (and a great insignia to boost it up even higher). My only problem with them is the excessively-fancy armor and how little of it can be dyed; don't pick one if you don't like wearing white.

Coloneh · Jul 19, 2007, 05:50 AM // 05:50

paragons are boring and not so useful. dervishes are dps/survival machines and very fun to play.

Vaxin · Jul 19, 2007, 11:23 AM // 11:23

AHHH I still can't decide lol.

I should just go with what class looks cooler lol.

Which one has an easier time staying alive?

Yichi · Jul 19, 2007, 11:30 AM // 11:30

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Originally Posted by Vaxin

Which one has an easier time staying alive?

A paragon with the insignia "+ armor while effected by a shout or chant"

Toutatis · Jul 19, 2007, 11:33 AM // 11:33

Paragons have an eaiser time staying alive. Armor that's almost as good as a warrior's (max armor for a paragon is 80, but doesn't have the same boost against physical that the warrior has), the ability to use shields, and attacking at range. Not to mention a wide range of buffs that can't be stripped by the enemy.

The paragon isn't just support either. True, their vocal abilities help buff up your party quite a lot, but they're also capable of putting out a very impressive DPS with their spears. The profession is very well balanced between attack and defence.

Vaxin · Jul 19, 2007, 12:34 PM // 12:34

Thats it then, I'll go Paragon.

Thanks for the Help!

VaMpIrE|OrD · Jul 19, 2007, 12:44 PM // 12:44

I know youve already chosen but to answer your earlier question imo getting into a party wold be much easier with a derv rather then a para this is just what i find though.

Vaxin · Jul 19, 2007, 02:56 PM // 14:56

Oh, I see, well, do people usually say "no your a Paragon, you can't join us"?

Yichi · Jul 19, 2007, 05:18 PM // 17:18

No, they usually say "GLF ele, tank and 2 monks..." Then you invite as a paragon and they hit decline invitation and u rage in the district as to why no one wants to take you and you resort to using heroes and beating it faster than the sub-par pug did anyway...

nunix · Jul 19, 2007, 06:54 PM // 18:54

Honestly, anymore I see "invite self" way way way more than specific queries (aside from monks, but people are generally just as happy with a hero as a real person). And a halfway decent guild will alleviate that more or less completely.

Jongo River · Jul 19, 2007, 08:01 PM // 20:01

I'd never really fancied Paragon much, but having now taken all classes as far as Vabbi (for treasures) - I do have to say that I was surprised by how easy it seemed with my Paragon. It feels like a faster paced ranger, with some nice skills to boost team damage, in addition to applying conditions. I didn't fall in love with the class, but I have started using motivation henchies more.

Coloneh · Jul 19, 2007, 08:09 PM // 20:09

i cant stand being grouped with paragons. they really dont add anything to the group.

Serenitude · Jul 19, 2007, 08:11 PM // 20:11

Para lover here ;-)

In reply to the OP - nothing is worse in this game than playing with PUGs, mate. Your Para has Warrior-class armor, warrior class damage from a distance, superb party mainentance skills, and if you're in a group, screw pugs. If you aren't in a Guild, well-built Paras have little trouble beating all three chapters with heroes and henchies. Unpopular does not mean unpowerful ;-) Besides - 9 out of every 10 toons in Kamadan is a Derv nowadays. Why not be a little different? Truly, Dervishes have some outrageous strengths, but in the long run Paras are a much more "survivable" class. Glad you went that route ;-)

White knight lord · Jul 19, 2007, 08:21 PM // 20:21

I made3 a Dervish and a Para and personally I don't like the dervish to me they are liek the new assassin mainly for PvP and no one really cares to have them in a group when they can have a Warrior as a tank or a ele Paragons aere a more effective class in PvE or PvP because liek the rit ualist they help enchance the team by dmg or defense wise when i made my para I really liked him becuase it was like haveing a Rit/ranger/warrior all in one as for dervish I only felt like I got brute ower (like the assassin) and warrior and was rejected from many groups becuase they wanted a arrior or ele over a dervish So my pick for anyone is Para hands down

Jul 18, 2007, 04:49 PM // 16:49	#1
Vaxin Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: London Guild: Leet Soldiers Profession: W/N	Dervish or Paragon? Hi. I am not new to this game, but I got bored with my Characters and deleted them (I was tired and didnt pay full attention at the time), I am now going to start playing again and I'm wondering what would be better for PVE or PVP (I mainly play PVE though). Paragon seem quite appealing, but is it a support class? If so, I wont make one. Please help.

Jul 18, 2007, 06:30 PM // 18:30	#2
Iuris Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Crazy ducks from the Forest Profession: W/	Well, any class can do well on its own. But a paragon does so well as party multiplier that it's a waste not to do so...

Jul 18, 2007, 07:03 PM // 19:03	#3
HawkofStorms Hall Hero Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/	Paragon really is a support class, and according to the a reccent poll in riverside, is the most unpopular class to play in all of GW.

Jul 18, 2007, 09:18 PM // 21:18	#4
Vaxin Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: London Guild: Leet Soldiers Profession: W/N	do you mean Unpopular because they are useless or just theres not enough people playing as one? what class would have an Easier time finding a party, i mean, would People acutally need me in the party if I was a Paragon?

Jul 18, 2007, 10:29 PM // 22:29	#6
wetsparks Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2006	There are three mele classes (warrior, assasin, dervish) and probably 90% of people who start this game made one of them, myself included. Since you really don't want more than two mele in your group I think it would be easier to find groups as a paragon. But then again they are more of a support class than direct range damage like rangers are, and you implied you didn't want to play a support class.

Jul 19, 2007, 01:10 AM // 01:10	#7
nunix Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Dec 2005 Profession: N/	Dervish is a weird melee hybrid class that, for general PVE, doesn't -really- synergise that well with anything else; especially when you're just starting a new one and aren't familiar with how it all works out. It's an interesting class, and it's very effective in PVE (where area attacks are king; scythe area + burst auras are great) but mine's collecting dust at the moment. Arguably some of the most-boring armor. Get pretty badass avatar transformations that let them change appearance to and take on certain aspects of each of the five gods. Paragon is a support class, no doubt of that, but they're also very strong, with the equivalent of warrior armor (and a great insignia to boost it up even higher). My only problem with them is the excessively-fancy armor and how little of it can be dyed; don't pick one if you don't like wearing white.

Jul 19, 2007, 05:50 AM // 05:50	#8
Coloneh Furnace Stoker Join Date: Nov 2006 Profession: D/W	paragons are boring and not so useful. dervishes are dps/survival machines and very fun to play.

Jul 19, 2007, 11:23 AM // 11:23	#9
Vaxin Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: London Guild: Leet Soldiers Profession: W/N	AHHH I still can't decide lol. I should just go with what class looks cooler lol. Which one has an easier time staying alive?

Jul 19, 2007, 11:33 AM // 11:33	#11
Toutatis Walking Wiki Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Isle of Medication Guild: Visitors from Aranna [VFA] Profession: Me/E	Paragons have an eaiser time staying alive. Armor that's almost as good as a warrior's (max armor for a paragon is 80, but doesn't have the same boost against physical that the warrior has), the ability to use shields, and attacking at range. Not to mention a wide range of buffs that can't be stripped by the enemy. The paragon isn't just support either. True, their vocal abilities help buff up your party quite a lot, but they're also capable of putting out a very impressive DPS with their spears. The profession is very well balanced between attack and defence.

Jul 19, 2007, 12:34 PM // 12:34	#12
Vaxin Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: London Guild: Leet Soldiers Profession: W/N	Thats it then, I'll go Paragon. Thanks for the Help!

Jul 19, 2007, 12:44 PM // 12:44	#13
VaMpIrE\|OrD Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: United Kingdom! Guild: Acolytes Of Anguish [aOa] Profession: W/	I know youve already chosen but to answer your earlier question imo getting into a party wold be much easier with a derv rather then a para this is just what i find though.

Jul 19, 2007, 02:56 PM // 14:56	#14
Vaxin Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: London Guild: Leet Soldiers Profession: W/N	Oh, I see, well, do people usually say "no your a Paragon, you can't join us"?

Jul 19, 2007, 05:18 PM // 17:18	#15
Yichi Furnace Stoker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match... Guild: Dark Alley [dR]	No, they usually say "GLF ele, tank and 2 monks..." Then you invite as a paragon and they hit decline invitation and u rage in the district as to why no one wants to take you and you resort to using heroes and beating it faster than the sub-par pug did anyway...

Jul 19, 2007, 06:54 PM // 18:54	#16
nunix Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Dec 2005 Profession: N/	Honestly, anymore I see "invite self" way way way more than specific queries (aside from monks, but people are generally just as happy with a hero as a real person). And a halfway decent guild will alleviate that more or less completely.

Jul 19, 2007, 08:01 PM // 20:01	#17
Jongo River Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2006	I'd never really fancied Paragon much, but having now taken all classes as far as Vabbi (for treasures) - I do have to say that I was surprised by how easy it seemed with my Paragon. It feels like a faster paced ranger, with some nice skills to boost team damage, in addition to applying conditions. I didn't fall in love with the class, but I have started using motivation henchies more.

Jul 19, 2007, 08:09 PM // 20:09	#18
Coloneh Furnace Stoker Join Date: Nov 2006 Profession: D/W	i cant stand being grouped with paragons. they really dont add anything to the group.

Jul 19, 2007, 08:11 PM // 20:11	#19
Serenitude Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jan 2007 Guild: Knights of the Oasis Profession: E/N	Para lover here ;-) In reply to the OP - nothing is worse in this game than playing with PUGs, mate. Your Para has Warrior-class armor, warrior class damage from a distance, superb party mainentance skills, and if you're in a group, screw pugs. If you aren't in a Guild, well-built Paras have little trouble beating all three chapters with heroes and henchies. Unpopular does not mean unpowerful ;-) Besides - 9 out of every 10 toons in Kamadan is a Derv nowadays. Why not be a little different? Truly, Dervishes have some outrageous strengths, but in the long run Paras are a much more "survivable" class. Glad you went that route ;-)

Jul 19, 2007, 08:21 PM // 20:21	#20
White knight lord Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2006 Guild: Ka-Tet Of Gilead	I made3 a Dervish and a Para and personally I don't like the dervish to me they are liek the new assassin mainly for PvP and no one really cares to have them in a group when they can have a Warrior as a tank or a ele Paragons aere a more effective class in PvE or PvP because liek the rit ualist they help enchance the team by dmg or defense wise when i made my para I really liked him becuase it was like haveing a Rit/ranger/warrior all in one as for dervish I only felt like I got brute ower (like the assassin) and warrior and was rejected from many groups becuase they wanted a arrior or ele over a dervish So my pick for anyone is Para hands down